How to Beat Obama | Karl Rove

Yeah, he was the one George Bush referred affectionately to as "Turdblossom".

Karl Rove should lay down in the intersection of his "American Crossroads". He's a traitor for outing a CIA agent.

We're supposed to listen to him on foreign policy now? Really?

I believe he was just outlining a strategy to beat Obama in an election, not actually suggesting a foreign policy.
And when it comes to Republican strategy, as a liberal, I pay very close attention to what Rove says about how Republicans can win elections. His track record is as impressive as his bag of dirty tricks is. He may be a scumbag, but he's not a "nobody".

No, he is just further evidence that they have NOTHING except slick marketing and an unlimited bankroll (thanks to Citizens United). Do what I do...turn the damn talking heads off, read a little and look beyond the sound bites.

So by Karl's advice. Lie your a$$ off and hope not too many people are onto the GOP's playbook of treachery! Just so Karl and everybody else knows. Many of the reasons why Republicans don't have a snowball's chance in hell to beat Obama is much of Karl's own fault and the way he conducted himself in aiding the neocons at trashing the middle class and our country during 2.0 W's administration.

Karl Rove? Wasn't he in the Bush administration?

Yes. And he is largely responsible for the greasy stain they left behind.

We already know how Karl thinks you win an election... lie, lie, lie, lie, lie and lie. And after that, lie some more.

I don't want to be preached to by a man who resembles a ham.

I agree with Daniel. Don't under estimate the man nor over estimate republican intelligence.

Ignoring Rove's advice to teapublicons is an act of being cocky.

I could call Karl Rove a "bottom dwelling scum sucker" but that would be a put down on Catfish. And George W Bush nick named him "turdblossom." That's in reference to wet cow pies upon smack down on the cattle yard making nice geometric patterns. Karl is definitely where the BS hits the fan.

The Koch brothers will probably hire him for the general election. We will know when the right wing propaganda gets especially slobbier than usual.

Yup, so long as Rove remains a "go-to-guy" for Republican political strategy, we'd be wise to keep our eye on him.

Everyone here, including myself hates the guy...and the reason we hate him so much is because he was so effective in doing that which we hate.If he was a blundering dolt, I doubt any of us would even know his name.

borncorn--this article by the architect Karl Rove has little to do with foreign policy and EVERYTHING to do as it is so aptly titled with how to beat Obama. Rove is very good at winning Presidential elections. Excellent advice herein from Rove/Gillespie. The CW is that obama is strong on foreign policy; this article explains exactly why the CW as supported by obama friends in the MSM is incorrect.

It's imperative to listen to Rove if you want to stay ahead of their tactics. One of the more effective strategies is to take what is perceived to be a positive and turn it into a negative (for their opponent). The flip side of that would be to take his candidates negatives and put a positive spin on them. And then give Fox the talking points so they can play them over and over and over until the maroons believe it.

So the argument is to be that Obama is weak?

Osama Bin Laden

Muammar Gaddafi

If that's the argument, it's time to admit defeat.

Lisa He wants to run on the economy...when Obama got us out of the worst economic calamity that his underling left behind! 9% loss of GDP 12 trillion in American wealth vanished, 50 trillion globally, 8 million jobs lost because of it...Bush inherits unemployment @ 4.2% and leaves with it @ 7.8% ,a 3.6% loss. After inheriting surpluses, his last deficit was 1.4 trillion dollars. Instead of Hoover level unemployment we have positive GDP Growth and 3 million jobs created...not only that, the GOOPer economic plan ...is Bushs' on steriods...

Roves strategy is to be the pyromaniac blaming the fireman that he isn't putti g out HIS fire fast enough for the pyro's liking...good luck with that...

Why exactly again is Obama weak on foreign policy? Oh, I know. Because he hasn't invaded Iran even though they are apparently no threat. Or, perhaps because we are not sabre rattling with North Korea. Yes, let's invade Venezuela. After all, they pose a serious trhreat to the security of the US.

Rove, and all right wing fanatics, believe that respect can only be found at teh end of the barrel of a gun. Wait a minute. Rove sounds like a 60's revolutionary. No, I am getting him confused with Bill Ayers.

I thought he was going to advise the GOP candidates to stop promising the theft of American rights. Not one of these right wing fascists has a clue that thinking people aren't on board with the government controlling women's reproductive decisions, lifting environmental protections for our air and water (so industry can make an extra buck on top of their billions at the expense of our health), eliminating public schools, stealing the hard earned right of workers to fairness in the workplace, and eliminating separation of church and state, the very thing that gives us our freedom of religion, and fairness in court. These goofballs keep on singing to their choir, a bunch of FOX addicted non-readers, people so vicious that they would hand over their own GOD given rights in exchange for the chance to punish their neighbors by stealing theirs. People left over from Karl Rove's annexation of formerly Christian churches into extreme right wing political action groups. What's the matter Karl, has your karma turned to bite your own sorry ass?

All that sounds like being rational.

Accepting that America will have a place in the world, but there will be other nations as well.

Iran doesn't pose a serious threat directly to the US. If they even try to do anything they are saying, a) they will have every other arab nation turn their back on them, b) both China and India will turn their back on them c) it will likely lead to large social unrest (which was already seen in their last election, just imagine if they effectively embargoed themselves cutting off almost all their income)

and advocating for an America that is once again respected (and, in some quarters, feared) as the preeminent global power.

Karl Rove is dreaming. If a Republican wins the nomination, we will be anything but respected, or a preminent global power.

With the ideas of the GOP -denial of global warming, the desire to start another war in Iran, destroying the environment in pursuit of oil, and removing the barriers of the EPA for the Corporate vampires, we will be a third world, that is all.

Karl Rove looks very much like Rush Limbaugh...Bastards

Karl Rove should lay down in the intersection of his "American Crossroads". He's a traitor for outing a CIA agent.

A lie

Hey, Karl. How 'bout this:

1) Get a candidate with a brain;

2) Make sure they have experience in large government situations;

3) Talk about things that actually matter to most Americans;

...oops...sorry, Karl. I see we're actually talking ABOUT Obama!

Better luck in 2016!

Hey Carl-

There is no way to beat Obama except by your using the last trick in your sick bag of tricks - CHEAT.

There is no doubt they will attempt to do so.

If you haven't yet, Internet search "Karl Rove Playbook". Read it with the understanding that it's based on documented events of the past and know that Turdblossom will add new tactics now and in the future.

Karl Rove is a despicable human being. He is a liar and a traitor and needs to be recognized as such. Anybody that would defend or support Rove should be recognized as the same.

lib50 - Your first line in post #1.14 is good advice.

Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.

Yes, Karl. Lets see how for the GOP candidate gets espousing the view that we need to be back in Iraq, that we need to stay in Afghanistan longer and that we need another war in Iran. The fact is that the United States is viewed more favorably around the world after three years of Obama than we were after eight years of the Bush administration. It would seem that Karl's advice did not work so well for President Bush.

What Karl is advocating was formally referred to as "The Big Lie" which meant telling the same lie over and over and over again until the "lie" in itself became the story and the truth was forgotten. And who was it that used this method to great effect and in fact for whose use of it it was labeled "The Big Lie" none other than that mastermind of hate and facism....yep old Adolf Hitler himself...look it up its in any history book covering that period. So there is nothing new about it, Karl just took Hitler's well used methods and converted it to GOP Policy.....what's wrong with that??????

Mr. G, You hit the nail on the head. Voted Up!

I guess Rove never asked Bin Laden or Gaddafi how "unsucessful" President Obama's foreign policy is...

The article, if indeed written by Karl Rove, does, IMHO, clearly show how a clearly confused writer can write a recipe for disaster. He sets forth four 'actions' which the Republican candidate must take during the campaign. Of course, the four 'actions' are nebulous and vague. Then, he follows these with negative statements about President Obama with, as is typical of GOP rhetoric, not a shred of fact. And, finally, he makes a reasonable statement:

Absent a major international crisis, this election will be largely about jobs, spending, health care, and energy. Voters do, however, want a president who leads on the world stage and a commander in chief who projects strength, not weakness.

It would be disastrous for Rove, or any other Republican (supposed) leader to point it out, but, IMHO, President Obama has clearly projected strength both of this country and in himself, for the past three years !!

His approach to the handling of Seal Team 6 killing Osama bin Laden is a clear example.

Rover is struggling to regain Relevancy, It's Grover that has GOOPers by the short n curlys, and he's all but written off the Presidential race;

They have reconciled themselves to a Romney candidacy because they see Romney as essentially a weak and passive president who will concede leadership to congressional conservatives:
All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.
The requirement for president?
Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.
This is not a very complimentary assessment of Romney's leadership. It's also not a very realistic political program: congressional Republicans have a disapproval rating of about 75%. If Americans get the idea that a vote for Romney is a vote for the Ryan plan, Romney is more or less doomed.
To date, sad to say, Romney has worked hard to confirm this image of weakness.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/13/grover-norquist-speech-cpac.html

They will be trying to hold on desperately to the house but will lose it, but they might get the Senate because the numbers favor them till 2016, and making huge pushes in state legislatures, We have to get the house and take back state legislatures...and the mid term will be just as important as the Presidents re-election

And coming soon to a bookstore near you, "The Rat of War: Eight Years With George and Dick" by Karl Rove. . .

Beating Obama is simple, all it takes is a moderate republican. Since the right is all out of that model however, they are pretty well buggered.

Never, ever underestimate this pudgy soft spoken weasel. He is a master of deceit. I say this knowing that Rove would privately consider that title as the greatest of compliments. Once powerful Dick Cheney is a sloppy amateur in comparison.

Karl Rove chose the GOP as the vehicle to build his fortune and power. He knew that his deceptive and sometimes illegal bag of dirty tricks would be welcomed as long as he kept his own fingers relatively clean. His past activities, since he was 19, raised many eyebrows of suspicion. He is a very intelligent man with few morals. Those very strong suspicions coupled with constant denial and subsequent lack of evidence made him the most sought after political consultant to any GOP candidate. This is all documented. The kid that robbed the cookie jar most often carefully swept the crumbs to another's door.

We can never deny the craftiness of the man behind the curtains of GOP gains since he first introduced his play-book. Repeat the same lie over and over again until the least intelligent among us believe it to be the gospel truth.Such efforts will lead them to vote against their own best interests. Convince them that Bush( who inherited the greatest economy in American history) was not the one that reduced it to the second worst economy since the Great Depression.

Foreign born Rupert Murdoch advanced Rove's agenda beyond his wildest dreams. I believe that insane Murdoch's agenda is world dominion. Karl Rove doesn't give a damn as long he is allowed to feed the frenzy and be assured a prominent role in the new world order. Both men could care less about efficient government or mankind. Both men fully expect to reduce society to a people that will worship them and grovel at their feet for mere crumbs.

Men much greater than them now lie in shallow unmarked graves that are never visited despite their once prominent names. Those names may slip through our lips now and then, but only in disgust and loathing. That is the testimony that Rove and Murdoch so richly deserve. Not as masters of men, but the scum of the Earth.

Anyone remember the primaries in South Carolina in the 2000 race? Bush vs a maverick McCain.

"What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary"

And all of that was against a fellow Republican.

Karl Rove has needed to be "outed" for the slob liar he is for many years.

Just for the sake of discussion: is there, potentially, a "jump the shark" moment for Rove?

The current crop of GOP "contenders" may not have Rove as a personal advisor, but they all pretty much operate from Rove's playbook. This bunch is doing a remarkable job of turning away everyone but the farthest-right.

Can this mess stick to Rove?

How to beat Obama by Karl Rove: LIE!!!

Wait...that is what the Repugs do on a daily basis, it doesn't seem to be working...

How to Beat Obama | Karl Rove

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I think Karl Rove and his fellow criminals are worried.

Rove is not only trying to regain his supremacy and the great winner of elections by hook or by crook mostly by crook -- he's gotten a whiff of the possibility that they aren't going to get away scot free with the horrible things they did after all.

Stranger things have happened.

If the man was ineffective in his tactics, none of you would even be talking about him. The thing is; Rove knows WTF he is talking about and you can love him or hate him but the man is not STUPID. If you think he is, keep feeding him and see who will be eaten in the end. Take your ideological earplugs out and listen.

the man is not STUPID

Honest--precisely. This is why Rove's SUPERPAC is ROCKING AND ROLLING....and Obama's led by Bill Burton is not.

Good lord. As if the only purpose of intelligence is the production of ungodly amounts of money. As if Karl Rove's ability to come up with more money than Obama proves he's the better man.

Somebody kill me.

Prospero, Be careful, Boehner had to tell Sullivan the Rep., from Oklahoma to keep his damn mouth shut, after he spouted off last week saying "it would take him going over their and putting a gun to some of their heads and shooting them" to get them to vote on a budget bill. This is the caliber of officials that we have now on the Hill. Kinda makes you proud, doesn't it????

Yet another good reason not to be in Congress. Nobody has any idea of what they should actually get upset about.

I was just praying he wasn't advocating assassination...I wouldn't put it past Rove as he gets more and more desperate.

Obama is not so easy to target like President Clinton.

It is truly amazing that Obama is running 70% in the great personal man category with this country. With all of the crap and mud that Rove and his thugs are throwing at Obama, he is managing to stay clean.

Did you like the latest one? Obama is responsible for the high gas prices.

A Commentator, They couldn't do it in 2008 and they will not do it this year either. They are deluded and have stooped to the lowest ever in Presidential politics and it still isn't working. Face reality boys & girls, Obama will be re-elected.

Lynn:

You haven't been around politics too long if you think this is the worst discourse in history. It hasn't even started yet. Wait until this summer. It will separate the men from the boys. With a billion dollars on both sides, this should be good entertainment because that is all it is; most of the country is already dug in on both sides.

@honest-abe48,

You got that right! This campaign IMO will make the UFC look like watching birds sleep. I'm thinking about keeping a lot of microwave popcorn and beer around, so I'll have something to snack on while the blood flows. It's gonna be brutal. I just hope it's not so brutal that it scares people away from running for office...but that's what I expect, partly.

I definitely think it'll be a loooong time before we see another serious black candidate for the presidency. For sure, they couldn't GIVE the presidency to this black man for any amount of money.

It's a mistake to ignore Karl Rove. He is exactly the sort of smart, experienced and totally ruthless political operative that wins elections in the current political environment---which is less civilized that a close-range rock fight.

If the Democrats don't have a "Rove" of their own, they need to get one---win or lose.

Baron, Are you freakin' kidding me? Why would we ever want a gremlin who lies, does criminal things, tells 1/2 truths and embellishes as a Speaker in our party? You really need to get a grip with this type of thinking. I seriously doubt that will happen though, when you look at the leaders of your party, the Plethora of Clowns and Liars!

Lynn:

You already have them. I can tune into MSNBC anytime or pick up damn near any newspaper in the country see it for myself. Keep on thinking Rove is a fool and doesn't know anything. In the end this man wins.

Rove is calling for bigoted, xenophobic, war-mongering hate...once again...the largest plank in the Republican platform.

What the hell does all that gipperish mean?

Does this mean the Repubs are going to go out and win one for the gibberish? [sorry, couldn't resist]

#3. #3.1, #3.2 and couldn't resist adding #3.3:

When I first read the article and the comments from that arsehole rove, the first thing I said was " blah, blah, blah"! Is he selling a book or something and this is the "foreword" for that book?

Pulease, give me a break. This idiot is as dumb as I thought he was and only an unstable, desperate repug would listen to anything rove has to say.

rove's only modus operandi is DOUBLE-SPEAK- which no one can understand or care to try to analyze.

As I said at the beginning of this comment: blah, blah, blah!

As I said at the beginning of this comment: blah, blah, blah!

Yes MEG and that about covers it, LOL

Good day to you!

It took two right-wing bottom feeders, Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, to return to the same plan of attack used over and over by the GOP. It’s what Rove, Gillespie and other conservative operatives learned from the late Harvey Leroy (Lee) Atwater. Atwater has been dead more than 20 years, but his bible remains the go-to book of sleazy, dirty tricks.

• God
• Guns
• Gays
• Overt & subtle racism, i.e. Willie Horton rule
• Patriotism

• Illusion versus reality--Obama had nothing to do with deaths of Bin Laden,Hussein
• Illusion versus reality--Economic meltdown not Bush’s/Wall Street’s fault
• Illusion versus reality--tax cuts for rich will result in jobs
• Illusion versus reality--Americans have no right to health care
• Illusion versus reality--1% are entitled, but 99% need no safety net
• Illusion versus reality--women are 2nd class citizens--NOT
• Illussion versus reality-- Do not look at Repub private schools, palatial estates, offshore tax havens, billions invested to overthrow the government. GOPers are the elitists!

All in all, Leroy “Lee” Atwater was a good ol’ boy from South Carolina who hated those who defeated the South in the Civil War.

Rove is the devil’s disciple and a very nasty piece of work. Do not believe the planted story. He’s working hard--with nitwits to push through laws that favor the rich--and the middle class and the poor--be damned.

What the hell does all that gipperish mean?

"Gipperish"? Reagan-speak?

NC Slim

The Navy Seals, killed Bin Laden, with some help, from info gathered at GITMO, and the foundation set by Bush and Rumsfield, as a matter of fact, Obama and the Dems promised to close GITMO,

The ecomomic mess we are in today, was caused by JFK, Carter, Clinton, Greenspand, Franks, Dodd, and the likes.

Greenspan lowered the interest rates, from 10.5% to 6%, right after Clinton was elected, at 6% the fed is giving the money to the lenders at 4%, which did not cover inflation. No one complained though, we all refinanced a bought products, no longer made here. 5 cars per family and 10 televisions, we consumed and consumed Chinese products. Clinton wanted to spread the wealth and he did China was the main recipient. Also 911 commission report pages 110-111 the Sudanese offer Usama Bin Laden to Clinton in 1996, but Clinton was to busy, with Monica in our Oval office. How many lives did this cost us? How many trillions, were spent hunting down Usama, between 1996 to 2011?

As far as Tax Cuts, Clinton taxed business, until they went out of business, or moved to China, and India.

Health Care, why do people from all over the world come to the USA, for healthcare. You might want to travel, and find out yourself.

1% and 99% of what? your imagination? The problem is we have to many people in the wagon and not enough, pullen it. On top of that the people sitting in the wagon, are the ones complaining.

Women are 2nd class citizens. Well the way the democrats, treated Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin, I would'nt be talking.

Tax havens for Soros, and Warren Buffet? You might want to check into, where their investments are. Here is a little assignment for you, compare Warren's investments, in the USA and other countries like China.

Prison?? For what, his ideology? That is what elections are for. When Obama is gone, I'm quite sure there will be a lot of sh^! dug up on him that the public wasn't aware of. It is called politics.

Gray

Obama sees dead people, so I guess, it's ok if you think Karl Rove, is in your computer.

After Obama's second term it really won't matter what they dig up on him.

Fear mongering, hate mongering, and smear tactics -- that's all that Rove and his ilk know. That's why they call them mongrels. Now I want to throw up.

Well, it helps if your brother in Florida assists in rigging the election.

We're suffering from Republicanitis here. Give us a break. There were apparently many carriers who, like Typhoid Mary, didn't realize what they were unleashing on everyone else.

Tampa is 2 hours from here. I think I'm safe. But I'm holing up for the duration of the convention.

(Runnig screaming for the hills won't help because we don't have any in this area.)

Wuza-- you need a place to stay for a couple of days -- out of state!

BoatRocker, I'm laughing my ass off right now! Thanks! Great stuff.

emphasizing American exceptionalism

America that is once again respected (and, in some quarters, feared)

The two most important things in the whole article. Emphasize ignorance and stupidity and generate fear that we will use the bombs to take over the world. That pretty much wraps up the GOP for the last 13 years doesn't it?

But, wait . . . you goobers already ****-canned Huntsman

If the RWNJs hadn't commandeered the GOP and pointed it straight at an iceberg, Huntsman could certainly have been the nominee. And yes, he would have been a credible candidate. More than that, given the weakness of the economy and the ease of tying that to a sitting president, I have to think that he'd get the attention of moderates in both parties. Could he have beaten Obama in November? Wouldn't have surprised me.

The right-wing crazies are sucking the credibility, and life, out of the GOP. Enjoy your Kool-Aid, Repubbies. You're paying for it.

Only in their world is 1% of the vote greater than 99% of the vote. Maybe they think money will buy them a win. NOT THIS TIME!!! We're on to them and their trick$ and they'll go down in humiliating defeat.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Vote Vote Vote

Nothing would surprise me anymore. Nothing.

I could not understand the reasoning behind burning the Koran in Afghanistan. That is something they believe in and not to be taken lightly. To burn them publicly made no sense whatsoever and who in their right mind in the military would do such a stupid thing?

Geez......

We don't want the Republicans to know that we have a copy of their playbook. Put that away before they find out.

Present a credible plan for growing the economy and increasing employment
Present a credible plan for deficit reduction
Present a credible plan for accomplishing foreign policy goals with minimum loss of American lives.
Present a credible plan for decreasing our dependence on fossil fuels.
This is clearly well outside of the republican wheelhouse.

I find it to be outside BOTH parties wheelhouse.

Yep, it's Plan B.

Karl Rove is a little Gremlin and he was one of the ones who participated in the "outing" of CIA agent Valerie Pflaum

Lynn--not so. Nobody was "outted" and nobody (including Rove) was ever charged with "outting" her..... You must watch too much HBO.

Karl Rove is a little Gremlin and he was one of the ones who participated in the "outing" of CIA agent Valerie Pflaum.

No matter how many times you repeat it..it is still a lie.

No matter how many times you repeat it..it is still a lie.

Kinda like WMD's, huh?

IV and lisaed, Kinda like the birther lies, the education lies, the religions lies and all the crap that you all have told over and over about Obama. Lisaed, don't have HBO so have no idea what that means. All I know is that she was outed and I do not believe that Scooter Libby was the one. There had to be someone in the WH and Cheney and Rove were thick as thieves. Its either them or your hero W.

All I know is that she was outed and I do not believe that Scooter Libby was the one.

Richard Armitage outed the super secret spy that a Chicago Newspaper found on the internet in 15 minutes..LOL

All I know is that she was outed and I do not believe that Scooter Libby was the one. There had to be someone in the WH and Cheney and Rove were thick as thieves.

Lynn: Really? Conspiracy theorist are you? Patrick Fitzgerald disagrees with whatever it is you think you know.

IV--as you and I both know--you have to break the statute to "out" someone. That didn't happen. Richard Armitage was simply a SOURCE to Novak--not an "outter."

This clap trap...again...YAWN

IndependentVoter

#21 - Strongly disagree with your assessment that President Obama damaged our image. I do not recall any nation declaring this honor on the Bush administration. If you can produce proof of praises by any nation of the Bush administration, produce it...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64034.html

Our image is how the world sees and works with us.

Seen as dangerous warmongers there is no hope for talks for peaceful resolutions. Both side line up like cowboy gunfighters. Someone pulls the trigger and someone dies. If we're talking about countries, it is the people not the gunfighters who pay.

Seen as reasonable, there can be talks to solve problems. One way causes deaths, the other saves lives. OBama is reasonable. I'll take that any day over a cowboy mentality.

All this advice from a man who should have been tried for war crimes in the Hague.

Clinton and Obama first.

IV, What would their war crimes be? You all have nothing so you make up outlandish crap. So typical for the GOPT, straight from your outdated and back in the day, playbook.

IndependentVoter

#22.1- You say Clinton and Obama first? What planet are your from or did you just wake up from a long long sleep? Put up proof that Clinton and Obama are guilty of possible war crimes. Put up credible proof or maybe it would be a good idea for you to shut up because you are making yourself look ignorant.... But by judging your previous post, it appears you don't have a problem with that....

You must be in coma. Finding lawyers who proclaim Bush and Cheney and their staffs and administration as guilty of breaking the law is as easy as it will be for Obama s successor and his or her staff to do the same with the Obama team. A mere three days into his term the new president ordered drone attacks inside Pakistan on suspected al-Qaeda terrorists. Twenty-two people were killed. Not all were believed to be terrorists. According to locals, women and at least three children were killed. In other words, this very green President of the United States, without a lick of military experience, just bombed a country (Pakistan) with which the U.S. is not at war. Nor did he request a declaration of war.

On top of which innocent women and children are now dead. If we are to run with the doctrine according to the left this, ladies and gentleman, is a "war crime."

And no one died in the (fill in your favorite curse words) wars started by Bush/Cheny on the basis of LIES. They died from love taps? They didn't sanction torture that gathered NO intelligence that was actionable? OK. Sure. I really don't want to buy any bridges today, thank you.

IV, Another attempt at revising history. The problem with that is, that the facts don't bear out what you are saying. We didn't bomb Pakistan, we took out Bin Laden, which could have been done long ago, but Bush let him escape at Tora Bora. That's fact and unarguable. Now tell me what Navy Seals bombed Pakistan? Trying to twist, spin and change the facts, does not make it so. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts. That is a truth that you GOPT need to learn, to have any credibility.

You are kidding right? Really? Wow:

This campaign of military aggression has been carried out in open defiance of the protests of the Pakistani people and their political leaders. Innocent Pakistani civilians and political activists alike have been callously murdered.

It is interesting to note that these strikes have occurred just a few days into the new Obama administration. Obama's White House mouthpiece Robert Gibbs has echoed his predecessors by spouting out "no comment" in response to questions. These airstrikes confirm skeptics who argue that the new Obama regime will maintain U.S. imperialism's predatory foreign policy.

From Amnesty International concerning the above strikes:

The US authorities must give a detailed explanation of how these strikes are lawful and what is being done to monitor civilian casualties and ensure proper accountability, said Sam Zarifi Amnesty International's Asia-Pacific director.

"The US administration must use the occasion of Attorney General Holder's speech to disclose the relevant legal and factual documentation necessary for a meaningful assessment of the lawfulness of the deliberate killings it is carrying out - simply trying to find another way to say 'trust us, it's legal' will not be good enough," said Sam Zarifi.

PoliticoMan-1635309

#22.1- You say Clinton and Obama first? What planet are your from or did you just wake up from a long long sleep? Put up proof that Clinton and Obama are guilty of possible war crimes. Put up credible proof or maybe it would be a good idea for you to shut up because you are making yourself look ignorant.... But by judging your previous post, it appears you don't have a problem with that....

You must be in coma. Finding lawyers who proclaim Bush and Cheney and their staffs and administration as guilty of breaking the law is as easy as it will be for Obama s successor and his or her staff to do the same with the Obama team. A mere three days into his term the new president ordered drone attacks inside Pakistan on suspected al-Qaeda terrorists. Twenty-two people were killed. Not all were believed to be terrorists. According to locals, women and at least three children were killed. In other words, this very green President of the United States, without a lick of military experience, just bombed a country (Pakistan) with which the U.S. is not at war. Nor did he request a declaration of war.

So Obama's war is Bush's war. Neglecting of course that Bush sat with his thumb up his ass about bin Laden while Obama finished the job. Those SEALs killed bin Laden on his orders. Orders never given by Bush. Instead was Bush gave us was a war of choice which he and all his cronies lied us into with false evidence gained by violation of the Geneva Convention on Torture. It was all about one upping his daddy, nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam Hussein and bin Laden were ENEMIES.

Now, Independant. ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUSTION. What war crimes did Bill Clinton commit?

Bringing up Bush does not exonerate Obama.

I see you are vocabulary challenged. In Yugoslavia, Clinton targeted civilian infrastructure and civilian facilities – houses, hospitals, schools, trains, factories, power stations, and broadcasting facilities.

According to Yugoslav authorities, 60 percent of the targets were civilian, including 33 hospitals and 344 schools, as well as 144 major industrial plants and a large petro-chemical plant whose bombing caused a pollution catastrophe.

Not long after Clinton ran out of targets, the BBC reported that the use of depleted uranium in Serbia would cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.

Maybe they could share a cell? Obama might look good in orange.

According to Yugoslav authorities, 60 percent of the targets were civilian, including 33 hospitals and 344 schools, as well as 144 major industrial plants and a large petro-chemical plant whose bombing caused a pollution catastrophe.

And according to Saddam's Minister of "Information", coalition forces committed suicide in the streets of Baghdad rather than face the Republican Guard.

Not long after Clinton ran out of targets, the BBC reported that the use of depleted uranium in Serbia would cause 10,000 extra deaths from cancer.

Yep...just like cell phones cause cancer and aluminum pop cans cause Alzheimer's. That leaves out everyone claiming they are allergic to WiFi.

Bringing up Bush does not exonerate Obama.

Nor does it make them somehow equally culpable. As I read another 'viner post, "Democrats look at you funny, Republicans anally rape you...yet in your mind they're somehow equally bad?"

Give me a break...

Your point is what?

In the District Court of Belgrade on September 22, 2000, the President of the court, Veroljub Raketic, handed down guilty verdicts against government leaders of NATO countries for "war crimes". The defendants in the trial were: Tony Blair, Robin Cook, George Robertson, Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, William Cohen, Jacques Chirac, Hubert Vedrine, Alain Richard, Gerhard Schroeder, Joschka Fischer, Rudolf Scharping, Javier Solana and Wesley Clark - all of which were sentenced to 20 years in a Yugoslav prison. The Yugoslav government issued arrest warrants for all of them, charging that between March 24 and June 10, 1999, during the NATO attack on Yugoslavia, they carried out::

On April 18th 2001, it was reported that the former U.S. president Bill Clinton was sent a verdict sentencing him in absentia to 20 years in prison for "crimes against civilians" committed during NATO's 1999 attack on Yugoslavia. According to news reports, Clinton, and his lawyers, also received a decision on the issuing of a warrant for his arrest.

So what's a little violation of the Geneva Convention on Torture, right?

Obama doesn't nearly match the criminality of Bush/Cheney.

It speaks volumes that though Bush was never impeached or charged, nobody on the right likes to say his name.

Your point is what?

That I can spot feigned anger when I read it.

I applaud you can read. Feigned agner...not hardly...just tired of partisn hacks...if Bush/Cheney should be tried for war crimes..so should Clinton and Obama..no favorites.

What in Roves article is incorrect?

"In an American election focused on a lousy economy and high unemployment, conventional wisdom holds that foreign policy is one of Barack Obama's few strong suits"

That part...Rove cannot in any way demonstrate that people Democrats (including Obama) any more or less responsible for the lackluster economy than they do Republicans.

He's simply making the statement in order to shore up the rest of his pseudo-populist rant.

This is the entire problem with the Republican Election effort--it relies on voters following their precise and neatly organised script to work.

And any who watches American Politics should know that trying to keep voters on any message is like trying to herd cats.